{"id":16,"date":"2016-05-05T19:56:38","date_gmt":"2016-05-05T19:56:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/andre.mabande.se\/vai\/?p=16"},"modified":"2023-12-19T11:02:06","modified_gmt":"2023-12-19T11:02:06","slug":"new-numbers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/andre.mabande.se\/vai\/new-numbers\/","title":{"rendered":"New numerals?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When <span class=\"script-vai\"><span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42397;&#42270;&#42258;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;&#42406;&#42318;&#42408; &#42397;&#42270;&#42258;, inventor of the Vai script&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42397;&#42270;&#42258;<\/span> [sic?]<\/span> invented\/formalised the <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42329;&#42276;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;Vai&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42329;&#42276;<\/span> script he and his assistants for some reason didn&rsquo;t create numerals. Maybe they just didn&rsquo;t think of it, as numbers could be represented in words.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Almost a century later numerals were developed for 0-9, but never caught on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The two reasons they didn&rsquo;t get accepted I imagine is that the &#42329;&#42276; numerals (&#42528;<span class=\"script-vai\"><span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42509;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;comma (,)&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42509;<\/span><\/span> &#42529;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42530;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42531;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42532;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42533;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42534;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42535;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42536;<span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> &#42537;) are just an elaborate mirroring of the arabic numerals, but don&rsquo;t represent any of the actual &#42329;&#42276; words for the different numerals zero to ten (<span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42252;&#42507; &#42356;&#42353;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;zero&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42252;&#42507; &#42356;&#42353;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42447;&#42450;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;one&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42447;&#42450;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42481;&#42334;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;two&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42481;&#42334;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42338;&#42324;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;three&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42338;&#42324;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42351;&#42314;&#42311;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;four&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42351;&#42314;&#42311;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span>&nbsp;<span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42375;&#42353;&#42408;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;five&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42375;&#42353;&#42408;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42375;&#42507;&#42447;&#42450;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;six&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42375;&#42507;&#42447;&#42450;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42375;&#42507;&#42481;&#42334;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;seven&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42375;&#42507;&#42481;&#42334;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42375;&#42507;&#42338;&#42324;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;eight&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42375;&#42507;&#42338;&#42324;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span>&nbsp;<span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42375;&#42507;&#42351;&#42314;&#42311;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;nine&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42375;&#42507;&#42351;&#42314;&#42311;<\/span><span class=\"script-vai\">&#42509;<\/span> <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42330;&#42507;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;ten&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42330;&#42507;<\/span> ).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So&hellip; one evening I sat down and had a go at it myself.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image wp-image-49 size-medium\">\n<figure class=\"alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" src=\"http:\/\/andre.mabande.se\/vai\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/numeral-examples-300x169.jpg\" alt=\"numerals examples\" class=\"wp-image-49\" srcset=\"http:\/\/andre.mabande.se\/vai\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/numeral-examples-300x169.jpg 300w, http:\/\/andre.mabande.se\/vai\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/numeral-examples-768x432.jpg 768w, http:\/\/andre.mabande.se\/vai\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/numeral-examples-1024x576.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Row one: 1-5; row two: 6-10; row three: 11-15; row four: 16-20.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>After a few attempts (sometimes inventing glyphs that already existed) I settled for seven glyphs created by more or less combining the ones of the original words into one symbol, i.e. symbols for 1-5, 10 and 20 (as the &#42329;&#42276;&nbsp; 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To the right is the result and examples of how to use them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Unfortunately this only solves counting up to <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42462; &#42322;&#42507;&#42261; &#42313; &#42459;&#42426; &#42330;&#42507; &#42375;&#42507;&#42351;&#42314;&#42311;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;thirty-nine&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42462; &#42322;&#42507;&#42261; &#42313; &#42459;&#42426; &#42330;&#42507; &#42375;&#42507;&#42351;&#42314;&#42311;<\/span> [sic?] as I didn&rsquo;t consider numbers that were multiples of <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;&#42462; &#42322;&#42507;&#42261;&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;twenty&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>&#42462; &#42322;&#42507;&#42261;<\/span>. So, work continues.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For examples on how to count in vai <a href=\"http:\/\/www.omniglot.com\/language\/numbers\/vai.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Omniglot has a page<\/a> based on <span class=\"glossaryLink\"  aria-describedby=\"tt\"  data-cmtooltip=\"&lt;div class=glossaryItemTitle&gt;Koelle&lt;\/div&gt;&lt;div class=glossaryItemBody&gt;SW Koelle, author of &amp;lt;em&amp;gt;Outlines of a grammar of the Vei language : together with a Vei-English vocabulary : and an account of the discovery and nature of the Vei mode of syllabic writing&amp;lt;\/em&amp;gt;&lt;\/div&gt;\"  data-gt-translate-attributes='[{\"attribute\":\"data-cmtooltip\", \"format\":\"html\"}]'  tabindex='0' role='link'>Koelle<\/span>&rsquo;s <em>Outlines<\/em>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When &#42397;&#42270;&#42258; [sic?] invented\/formalised the &#42329;&#42276; script he and his assistants for some reason didn&rsquo;t create numerals. 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